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    Rodger Moore (not verified) 7 years 21 weeks ago Web link Cheryl Cline
    When you compromise with evil, evil wins. The power of liberty is that it is inherently moral, lose that and you lose everything.
  • Rex Curry's picture
    Rex Curry 7 years 21 weeks ago
    Let's Go Dutch
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    RexCurry.net is the site that exposes the Pledge of Allegiance as the origin of Adolf Hitler's "Nazi" salute under the National Socialist German Workers Party. The site also archives other discoveries of the historian and symbologist Dr. Rex Curry, author of the book "Pledge of Allegiance Secrets." Francis Bellamy (cousin of author Edward Bellamy) was a socialist in the Nationalism movement and authored the Pledge of Allegiance (1892). http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html The early pledge began with a military salute that was then extended out toward the flag. In practice, the second gesture was performed palm-down with a stiff-arm when the military salute was merely pointed out at the flag. Thus, the military salute led to the Nazi salute in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States. http://rexcurry.net/45th-infantry-division-swastika-sooner-soldiers.html It was not an ancient Roman salute. That is a myth debunked by Dr. Curry, who showed that the myth came from the Pledge. American national socialists (including Edward Bellamy), in cooperation with Madame Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society, popularized the use of the Swastika (an ancient symbol) as a modern symbol for socialism long before the symbol was adopted by the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazis). http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html The Bellamys influenced the National Socialist German Workers Party and its dogma, rituals and symbols (e.g. robotic collective chanting to flags; and the modern use of the swastika as crossed S-letters for "Socialism" under German National Socialism). Similar alphabetical symbolism was used under the NSDAP for the "SS" division, the "SA," the "NSV," et cetera and similar symbolism is visible today as the Volkswagen VW logo. http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a2a1.html The Bellamys wanted the government to take over all food, clothing, shelter, goods and services and create an "industrial army" to impose their "military socialism." See the video documentary at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BssWWZ3XEe4 It is the same dogma that led to the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part): ~60 million killed under the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; ~50 million under the Peoples' Republic of China; ~20 million under the National Socialist German Workers' Party. http://rexcurry.net/socialists.html Today, the flag symbolizes authoritarianism in the USA. The historical facts above explain the enormous size and scope of government today, and the USA's police state, and why it is growing so rapidly. They are reasons for minarchy: massive reductions in government, taxation, spending and socialism.
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    Rex Curry 7 years 21 weeks ago Page Rex Curry
    RexCurry.net is the site that exposes the Pledge of Allegiance as the origin of Adolf Hitler's "Nazi" salute under the National Socialist German Workers Party. The site also archives other discoveries of the historian and symbologist Dr. Rex Curry, author of the book "Pledge of Allegiance Secrets." Francis Bellamy (cousin of author Edward Bellamy) was a socialist in the Nationalism movement and authored the Pledge of Allegiance (1892). http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html The early pledge began with a military salute that was then extended out toward the flag. In practice, the second gesture was performed palm-down with a stiff-arm when the military salute was merely pointed out at the flag. Thus, the military salute led to the Nazi salute in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States. http://rexcurry.net/45th-infantry-division-swastika-sooner-soldiers.html It was not an ancient Roman salute. That is a myth debunked by Dr. Curry, who showed that the myth came from the Pledge. American national socialists (including Edward Bellamy), in cooperation with Madame Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society, popularized the use of the Swastika (an ancient symbol) as a modern symbol for socialism long before the symbol was adopted by the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazis). http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html The Bellamys influenced the National Socialist German Workers Party and its dogma, rituals and symbols (e.g. robotic collective chanting to flags; and the modern use of the swastika as crossed S-letters for "Socialism" under German National Socialism). Similar alphabetical symbolism was used under the NSDAP for the "SS" division, the "SA," the "NSV," et cetera and similar symbolism is visible today as the Volkswagen VW logo. http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a2a1.html The Bellamys wanted the government to take over all food, clothing, shelter, goods and services and create an "industrial army" to impose their "military socialism." See the video documentary at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BssWWZ3XEe4 It is the same dogma that led to the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part): ~60 million killed under the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; ~50 million under the Peoples' Republic of China; ~20 million under the National Socialist German Workers' Party. http://rexcurry.net/socialists.html Today, the flag symbolizes authoritarianism in the USA. The historical facts above explain the enormous size and scope of government today, and the USA's police state, and why it is growing so rapidly. They are reasons for minarchy: massive reductions in government, taxation, spending and socialism.
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    B.R. Merrick 7 years 21 weeks ago Web link Cheryl Cline
    This is the first time I have ever heard the word "neolibertarian." According to his definition, a neolibertarian is the same as a neocon. So there is this "neo" force running around infecting every train of political and anti-political thought with the idea that we can smash badness away with enough military might? What's next? Neoanarchists? And I would be interested to know what evidence there is that our growing military might is something, or the main thing, or the only thing that has stopped any invasion since 1812.
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    Bill Ross 7 years 21 weeks ago Web link Cheryl Cline
    The "conflict" between moralist and consequentialist libertarians appears to be artificially induced. Every "truth" movement or proven scientific fact which has the implication that arbitrary power has reality limits is infiltrated by lying intellectuals and media shills who are paid very well to introduce confusion, controversy, denial and delay the inevitable acknowledging of truth. On this particular issue, the moralists argue: cease aggression NOW, the consequentialists: too costly, anarchy and social / economic collapse results. The two POV's differ only in time preference. The cost of not ceasing aggression is inevitably: anarchy and social / economic collapse. We are living this now and, arbitrary power is TERRIFIED. The reason is that we live in an action precedes consequence reality. We are already free to do anything consistent with the laws of physics. The only choice of others, organized power included is: what do they choose to do in response? The dominant action / consequence relationship here is that aggressions of arbitrary power have taken on the laws of nature, in particular, human nature and will to live. People are going from "trust of state equals willing participation" to "distrust of state, choosing to not associate" to "state is a personal survival danger, active opposition". If you want to have a clue regarding what is going on, you need to align to reality and learn how to THINK: http://www.strike-the-root.com/51/ross/ross2.html Our far wiser ancestors once placed us on the path to civilization by discovering and enforcing the "rule of law", now rationalized and educationally subverted away. As a consequence, civilization collapses, since its basis of operation is opposed by criminals wielding the collective power of we, the people: http://www.strike-the-root.com/51/ross/ross3.html Our tyrants are TERRIFIED as they see all of their foul works collapsing and people waking up. Hopefully, what is coming will be dealt with intelligently and morally.
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    Puck 7 years 21 weeks ago Web link Cheryl Cline
    I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who got the heebie jeebies reading that article. If I wanted to read Cato Institute pablum I'd be reading cato.org, not strike-the-root.com
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    KenK 7 years 21 weeks ago Web link Cheryl Cline
    Increased repair costs and hassles caused by this IP over reach would make me very unlikely to buy a vehicle from companies that did this.
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    Fascist Nation (not verified) 7 years 21 weeks ago Web link Cheryl Cline
    This is why I stopped subscribing to may favorite publication,"Liberty." When Bradford brought in those two neocons, Stephen Cox and Bruce Ramsey with Cox eventually becoming Editor-in-Chief it was time to move on. Milstead is not even close to being a minarchist. He clearly supports government -- apparently monopoly government, whatever that means -- as a protector against aggression (which it poorly does) and to force individuals living under its sphere of influence to provide their labor in support of this government. Both are to be obtained by the monopoly government's threat of pain, detention and death. That failure to have this government benevolence forcibly bestowed on us "would result in tribalism, warfare, and eventually dictatorship." You mean the things we have now under government. Speaking of fantasy....
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    tzo 7 years 21 weeks ago Web link Cheryl Cline
    "The Zero Aggression Principle demands immediate elimination of all taxation, and perhaps monopoly government in general. Yet eliminating these things would result in tribalism, warfare, and eventually dictatorship — that is, increases in aggression. ZAP applied to government violates its own underlying value. Aggression will always be with us. Complete elimination of aggression is a fantasy." This is quite a paragraph. In the first two sentences he pronounces that it is a known fact that anarchy is chaos. He then 'proves' his assertion by making a ridiculous connection between the ZAP and pacifism, assuming that there would be no defense/justice services in an anarchical society, all because he clearly does not understand the meaning of the word 'aggression.' Equating a society that respects the ZAP with an impossible aggression-less society is what they call a straw man, I believe. He is a minarchist, pure and simple, and with all the baggage that position entails: Aggression is just fine as long as you believe the ends are justified. "Am I a libertarian?" Nope. I hope that eliminates any confusion in your mind, sir.
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    Per Bylund 7 years 21 weeks ago Web link Cheryl Cline
    I totally agree with you, Brian. I had my own discussion of Milsted's work a couple of years back. That guy is certainly not a libertarian. Here's my response to his ridiculous argument for taxation for public goods: Why Statists Always Get It Wrong (http://mises.org/story/2031).
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    stu33 (not verified) 7 years 21 weeks ago Web link Cheryl Cline
    Mr. Milsted doesn't seem to be a libertarian to me. He also doesn't seem to have a very good grasp of Austrian economics. He said the "Austrian model of ordered preferences and diminishing marginal utility" is "a crude model of human decision making." With friends like these who needs enemies.
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    strike 7 years 21 weeks ago
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    Mitrik_Spanner 7 years 21 weeks ago
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    I am very happy to see the new advances. Anything that makes STR more friendly for our community of libertarians/anarchists/agorists is a good thing. I look forward to the addition of a discussion forum if possible, as in earlier days. Else how will I know what Log from Blamo thinks? -- Mitrik Spanner
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    BrianDrake 7 years 21 weeks ago Web link Cheryl Cline
    "But should we call these people libertarians? Am I a libertarian? " No. It still boggles my mind that with the word literally in the name LIBERT[Y]arian, that people who admittedly/obviously value some social value higher than liberty (e.g., utility, expedience, security, equality, fairness, etc...) presume to appropriate that name for themselves. Either you value liberty (self-ownership) as your highest social value, and are therefore a "libertarian", or you do not and are a something-elsian. In other words, if your social value system looks something like this: 1. Liberty (the self-ownership of each person) 2. Security 3. Prosperity 4. Cookies 5. etc... You're a libertarian. If it looks something like this: 1. Security 2. Equality 3. Greatest good for greatest number 4. Liberty You could call yourself a "securitarian" (or if you wanted to be condescending to true libertarians, a "realist" - a laughable assertion). But you are no "libertarian". It's that simple. Milsted is an obvious "something-elsian". As is the LP. Real libertarians advocate nothing less than the immediate abolition of slavery. In the meantime, they run the underground railroad and educate as many people as possible.
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    Chris Cooley (not verified) 7 years 21 weeks ago Web link Cheryl Cline
    So true , But god have we heard about the Detroit attempt; not that it wasn't terrible before, but god is flying going to be horrible now with whatever bullshit the TSA comes up with after this . Dogs sniffing your crotch and nude body scanners ... fun
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    strike 7 years 22 weeks ago
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