Professional Atheist Richard Dawkins: Christianity's Bad but Islam is Worse


D. Saul Weiner's picture

I have nothing positive to say about the way that Islam is practiced in many parts of the world. But I would note that it does not seem to promote abominable behavior everywhere. In the U.S., it seems to be practiced quite peacefully.

And while we may not associate Christianity with suicide-bombers and overt misogyny, there are plenty of Christian warmongers who have done much more to promote death and destruction worldwide (via the vehicle of the State) than freelance Muslims will ever likely accomplish. But again, I would not generalize to Christianity in total here, since there are also peace-loving Christians and sects of Christianity.

It is too bad that Dawkins (and so many other Statists, who think that they are Atheists) can't grasp this reality.


ReverendDraco's picture

Islam, being the younger religion, is still going through the growth stages. . .

Christianity was just as violent, just as death-crazed and misogynist as modern Islam - it was just 500 or so years ago instead of RIGHT F'N NOW!

How do people think that the Dark Ages came to be? Rainbows and unicorn farts?

D. Saul Weiner's picture

I agree with that, but don't you think that many U.S. Christian churches are CURRENTLY just as death-crazed, except that they are expressing such a mentality through honoring and supporting the members of the armed forces, an avenue which is considered more civilized than shouting in street demonstrations and supporting acts of non-state terrorism?

KenK's picture

Good for Dawkins. Except for the late Mr. Hitchens none of other so-called iconoclast evangelical atheists don't say sh*t about religious denominations except for Christians. Judaism, Hindus, Muslims nadda. Very little honesty in public debate any more. Maybe it's fear of ostracism or in the case of Muslims injury or death.

Darkcrusade's picture

Professional statist Dick Dawkins is a hypocrite.

The statist religion has murdered,imprisoned and terrorized more than any (non)-entity you may name.

He sets up a straw man to knock down. Hey,it's the lesser of two-evils, Right?

A quibble about definitions.

A Christian would be someone who follows Christ.

Christiandom, is the devils attempt at subverting those followers, by a joinder with the State.

Remember who controlls the kingdoms of this world?

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Do you remember all of the Christians who were put to death in the Roman Empire? They were not put to death because they were Christians. In Rome, you could believe anything you wanted to believe, just as long as you swore by the genius of Caesar; just as long as you said, 'Caesar is Lord.' Christians were put to death not because they were Christians, but because they were called traitors and treasonous individuals, because they would not swear allegiance to the State.

All down through history, Christians have been put to death because they said, 'Jesus Christ is Lord.' For the Christian, it is idolatry, which above all else, constitutes treason to the social order. We know, and we believe, that God is True and His Word is True. Disobedience and unfaithfulness to God is idolatry; it is treason.

"Christianity in its true sense puts an end to the State. It was so understood from its very beginning, and also for that Christ was crucified."

The martyrs of the christians,a derogatory term at the time,grew true christianity in the face of terrible persecutions.

This distressed Constantine, something had to be done or else the TRUTHS of this christianity cult
MAY TAKE OVER THE WORLD PEACEABLY. If you cannot destroy from the outside,you infiltrate.
Modern day imperial government knows the lesson well.

The Scriptures have a few themes that seem to run from beginning to end. One happens to be The rejection of God for the creation imperial government.

Could even the very elect be deceived? I know precious few(the remnant) who call themselves Christians, who are not dyed in the wool Statists.

God made man.

Man hates God.

Man made Government.

The creation(government) now rules over the creator.(man)

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

God commands to have no one before him, for he is jealous.
Man says ''I will have your first-fruits. You are my slave.''

God commands thou shall not kill.
Man says ''Sally forth and spread my statist religion with the edge of a sword.''

It is always interesting to go back, and look again at the Ten Commandments and see which things God says actually are transcendant. What do we find there?

As far as obligation and responsibility goes, the story looks like this.

First Commandment: Our primary obligation is to God; all other obligations are secondary.

Second Commandment: We must worship God and avoid the worship of all idols and secondary commitments.

Third Commandment: God says that we may not empty the worship of God of meaning.

Fourth Commandment: God has made a day of worship for us to spend with Him; we must keep it. We must not cause others to work on this day.

Fifth commandment: God says that we have an obligation to our immediate family.

Sixth Commandment: God says that we have a commitment to our fellow men not to kill them.

Seventh Commandment: God says that we have a definite commitment to our spouse and to other married couples.

Eighth Commandment: God says that we have an obligation to respect the property rights of others.

Ninth Commandment: God says that we have an obligation to deal with other people truthfully and to guard their reputations.

Tenth Commandment: God says that we are not to desire the spouses or possessions of others.

And so, a look at the Ten Commandments reveals three circles of commitments:

(1) To God first.
(2) To our spouse and other couples, and to our immediate familiy.

(3) To our fellow man, in not killing him, telling untruths about him, stealing from him, or causing him to work on Sabbath.

Commitment to national units is nowhere to be found: not in the Ten Commandments; not in the teachings of Jesus; not in the teachings of Paul, or anywhere else in the New Testament.

What are Christ's words that no one in ChristianDUMB can find these day?

Christ Jesus has said;
“And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.21 Luke 22:25 ..."But ye shall not be so."

Jesus said in Matthew 20:25 “But Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you

Mar 10:42 But Jesus called them [to him], and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.
Mar 10:43 But so shall it not be among you

Will you accept Christ Jesus's words?
Or will you compromise the incorrect interpretation of romans13,that keeps one floundering in the morass of cognitive dissonance. Romans 13 was Hitlers favorite verse.

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. Romans 13:8-10
(no tax,no tribute,no voting,as that is a trespass and a violence to your neighbors.)

Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.


Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
(No room for a Government of rulers here.)

The next verses are prophetic and point to the rulers(kings) and their creatures(corporations,merchants)
and how we should ''come out of the mystery babylon.'')

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.


2Cr 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,
2Cr 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty

Jim Davies's picture

Define "God".

Darkcrusade's picture

...And the Jews cried out ,we have no King but Ceasar. >

Amerikagulag's picture

I gave up the bible for lent, long ago and haven't gone back. Its contents speak of a tribal deity which is no more god than a spoiled, perverted child bent on revenge - and its 'chosen ones' now demonstrate that beyond cavil.

Darkcrusade's picture

Christ did not come to make bad men good, He came to give dead men life.
If you are born once you die twice.(body and soul)
If you are born twice you die once.(body)

Christ was the most anti-religious man to walk the earth.
Investigate that statement to grasp the meaning.
Hint- Religion is mans attempt to reconcile himself to a perfect God.

Another interesting theme that threads through the Scriptures is the chosen peoples rejections
of God and the long suffering merciful Patience of God.(golden calf,ceasar,saul,gnostisism,Christ. &c)

In the above article.
ChristianDOM (as opposed to christians)would be better compared to atheisms bankrupt (un)-reasonings.
''Atheists often sidestep or minimize the incredible amount of evil perpetrated by atheistic totalitarian regimes in the last century. Contrary to Dawkins, the multiple tens of millions (some estimates are as high as 100 million) of people systematically murdered by Soviet and Chinese Communist forces in the twentieth century were killed not merely by a few private leaders who happened to be atheists. No. These mass murders were carried out by a Marxist ideology that held atheism as one of its central components. Communism (or Dialectical Materialism) is a naturalistic and atheistic ideology by its very nature. Atheists may claim that these dictators were not representing true atheism, but without God objective human dignity, value, and purpose seem morally arbitrary and unjustified. So couldn’t Stalin and Mao reasonably argue that their regime’s murderous acts were consistent with their materialistic, atheistic philosophy?''

''“With me the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man’s mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey’s mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?”

Several thinkers have argued that the worldview of naturalism (nature as the sole reality) involves a fundamental state of epistemological incoherence or is self-defeating in nature.2 Additionally, consistent with Darwin’s original uneasiness, a growing contingent of theists thinks it is irrational to believe in evolutionary naturalism in particular. Why? Because it fails to provide a viable pathway to ensure that humans develop reliable, true beliefs about reality.3 And the deliverances of science depend upon humans having reliable and true beliefs about the natural world.
Three Strikes Against Evolutionary Naturalism?

The idea that atheistic, evolutionary naturalism can reliably account for man’s rational faculties and explain how human beings can discover truth faces three potential defeaters.4

Naturalism Postulates a Nonrational Source for Man’s Rationality.

If a person accepts the evolutionary naturalistic worldview then he must also accept that the ultimate source of people’s reasoning faculties was not itself rational (endowed with reason), personal (self-aware, intelligent), or teleological (purposive) in nature. Rather, the source was a nonrational, impersonal, purposeless process consisting of a combination of genetic mutations, variation, and environmental factors (natural selection). Naturalism therefore postulates that a combination of random chance and blind impersonal natural processes (physical and chemical in nature) produced humanity’s rational faculties.

However, presuming that a nonrational, chance origin explains human intelligence raises legitimate questions about whether human reason can be trusted. According to the presumptions of science, an effect requires an adequate and sufficient cause, and indeed that effect cannot be greater than the cause. But in the case of evolution, the effect of human intelligence is magnitudes (or, exponentially) greater than its supposed cause. The naturalist appears to have adopted a potentially self-defeating posture: He is assuming a trustworthy reasoning process only to conclude that his reasoning is ultimately untrustworthy.''

Glock27's picture

Wow! Double Wow! It is intriguing that an evolutionist, (who could not make it as an evolutionist, but rather generate notice via being atheistic and attach the Christian belief), could garner such sour remarks regarding Christianity. To attack Christians or the Christian belief on STR does not seem to ring true to the site philosophy. These are not the tones of freedom and liberty. Just wow! Incomprehensible.