Regulating Capitalism is Superfluous and Counterproductive

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WhiteIndian's picture

Mises and Rothbard are both as easily refutable as Marx or Keynes, which are just as screwed up.

The Marx-Mises axis of religioeconomic dogma is pure statist. Yep, Mises is as statist as Marx, even though he thinks he's not.

Civilization is the City-State. There's no city without a state. There's no state without a city.

It's like a jet-airplane. There is no flying without the jet.

Libertarians are ignorant enough of freshman-level anthropology to love jet-airplanes but complain about the oh-so-evil "jetist" noise.

Thomas Jefferson had a clue when he said, "When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe."

Civilization = City-State. Civilization is Statist. Civilization supporters are Statists.

Marx and Mises are just two different variations of Statism, complaining about the "jetist" noise, and hoping it goes away - but we can still keep jetting somehow.

tzo's picture

Define "State." Define "government" (even though you did not use the term, And State = Civilization does not count.

John T. Kennedy's picture

Essentially a government is a legal monopoly of force. Ditto for state.

WhiteIndian's picture

John T. Kennedy has it nailed, and Elman Service, a leading anthropologist, concurs, as follows:

"A true state is distinguished from nonstate societies by the presence of political leaders who maintain a socially approved monopoly on the legal use of legitimate force. In contrast to the situation in bands, tribes, and chiefdoms, individuals in state societies are not permitted personal recourse to force to settle arguments or disputes. Only the government has the legal use of force at its disposal."

~NON-STATE AND STATE SOCIETIES faculty.smu.edu/rkemper/cf_3333/Non_State_and_State_Societies.pdf [adapted from Elman R. Service (1975), Origins of the State and Civilization: The Process of Cultural Evolution. New York: Norton.]

By the way, City-State = Civilization.

"The word civilization comes from the Latin civilis, meaning civil, related to the Latin civis, meaning citizen, and civitas, meaning city or city-state."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization

"Polis is often translated as city-state."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polis

Ever wonder why a POLIs (city-state) has POLIce (city-state enforcers) and POLItics as standard POLIcy? Read Jefferson's quote again. City-Statism is the problem.

Even deeper, agricultural city-Statism (civilization) is the problem. "Agriculture creates government." ~Richard Manning, Against the Grain, p.73

tzo's picture

So civilization is therefore dependent upon someone having a legal monopoly on force?

John T. Kennedy's picture

Nope, of course not.

John T. Kennedy's picture

Accidental double post.

WhiteIndian's picture

If anyone has empirical evidence of a city-dwelling human society (civilization) without State level politics, let me know.